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on this episode of skeptico the science

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and a clip about a real battle

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what the hell is your delay captain

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waiting sir

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waiting for what

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private dust

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who the hell is private doss

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that's from the movie hacksaw ridge the

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true story of a warrior and in this

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episode we probably call him a light

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warrior we'll explain what that means in

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a little bit but he's a guy who in world

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war ii wouldn't shoot a gun

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but as the scene that i just played

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shows he had gained so much respect from

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his fellow warriors that they wouldn't

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go into battle until he finished

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praying

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and like i mentioned real story this guy

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private doss was a real person

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conscientious objector

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went into one of the most horrific

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battles in world war ii

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bullets flying all over his head pulls

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75 soldiers out of the battle to safety

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risking his own life every time going

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back and back and back to save more

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yeah that's a warrior

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but you might be asking what's all this

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warrior stuff i mean we're just talking

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about science here right

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you would try to tell other lay people

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you see he's not a real scientist it's

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more of a sort of a mystic but it's true

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i became a neuroscientist based on a few

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uh spiritual experiences that happened

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in my life

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that's dr mario beauregard and if you've

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been around skeptico for a long long

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time you'll remember that i interviewed

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him 10 years ago about his book the

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spiritual brain a neuroscientist case

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for the existence of the soul

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keep in mind this guy's not a religious

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guy he's just following the data so now

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dr beauregard has a new book you'll hear

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about it in this interview with him but

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you also hear that although he's been

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engaged in the battle for a while he's a

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warrior that senses that the battle is

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it's very hard to be able to unite

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because there are many differences

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even post-materialist scientists include

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people who are not spiritual at all

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a lot of these scientists they don't

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want to have any problem and they don't

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want to go out and to face uh they're

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not warriors

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light warriors they're not willing to do

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that but in my case it's very difficult

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to it because i've been trained like

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this i i had to fight for my survival

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and so it's okay for me

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we're fighting with more than uh

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materials at east in our so-called

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skeptics in science the fight is much

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bigger now it's dark versus light it's

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darkness and it's a spiritual war

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like you i'm not religious at all my

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parents wanted me to become a priest

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but uh that was it was not for me

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i have a sense of mission so i do what i

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have to do i don't care if people like

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me or hate me but you know what by doing

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what i've done

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i made a lot of friends all over the

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planet

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the ultimate version of materialism and

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atheism is transhumanism and i'm in

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contact with people all over the planet

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and friends and the same process is

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what was going on now they're switching

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optimistic but it will be rough bumpy

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i can't stay here all them go fight for

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what you figure this war is just gonna

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and so the battle continues

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we were made for this

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this battle

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stick around for my interview with dr

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mario beauregard if you like it tell

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welcome to skeptico where we explore

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controversial science and spirituality

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with leading researchers thinkers and

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their critics i'm your host alex sakaris

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and today we welcome actually welcome

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dr mario beauregard to skeptico

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if you've been with skeptico for a while

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10 years ago it's really been that long

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when we interviewed mario about his

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excellent book

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brain wars but in case your memory

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doesn't stretch back that far let me

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just kind of remind you

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dr mario beauregard is a neuroscientist

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multiple fellowships dozens and dozens

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of peer review papers publications all

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over the place i'm even pulling up a

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picture of him hanging out with the

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dalai lama he's done all these other

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really cool projects all around this

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idea that

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maybe we should look beyond

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materialism and that would lead us to

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his latest book

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expanding reality the emergence of

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post-materialist science

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so mario welcome back to skeptico thanks

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so much for joining me

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thanks for having me well great so tell

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us a little bit about what you've been

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up to you've been

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hanging around with those wonderful

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folks at the university of

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arizona and their consciousness paradigm

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exploits or endeavors lately but what's

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going on in your world in general catch

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us up before we start talking about the

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book

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well uh during the last few years i've

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the development of what we could call

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the post-materialist paradigm so we

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and lisa miller a research psychologist

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and people from various fields physics

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rupert sheldrake larry dossey and so on

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manifesto for uh post-material science

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multiple drafts and it was published uh

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and the manifesto was published three

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emergence of a post-materialist science

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a relative quick read you know a lot of

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work in this area i just i i got to hear

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i became a neuroscientist based on a few

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uh

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or spiritual experiences that happened

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in my life it's uh

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i'm not alone because at the academy we

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um

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we're now now creating a new book and uh

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that will be published probably in uh

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i think by the end of next year

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and it's a collection

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of essays by

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50 different scientists

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and you can see when you read the these

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accounts it's very interesting because

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a lot of scientists decided to become

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scientists

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because of spiritual experiences but

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it's it was never told before because it

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was taboo we couldn't say that

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openly now i don't care i'm almost 60

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years old and a vast portion of my

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career is behind me and i don't care

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anymore

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i don't care what people may think but

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yes the first experience happened when i

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was eight years old

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my parents were farmers uh here in the

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province of quebec in canada

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and we we had

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fields for the cows we had a small

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forest and uh

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during uh the summer break

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i went into the the small forest i i

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liked people there to think and to play

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and encounter all sorts of animals and

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it was quite hot and after uh i walked

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for about an hour

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and then i was uh i became tired

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and i decided to to sit on a big gray

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rock

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and uh

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while i was sitting on the big gray rock

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i looked at all the trees that were

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surrounding me and i could see also the

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field

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uh

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but which was far away in the cows and

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all of a sudden

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uh

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everything became

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more vibrant i knew that trees were

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alive but

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i

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the trees

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the grass

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and even the rock itself

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were all part of a single

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whole

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a unified being

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and now

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me a small mario was part of this

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i unified feel this

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you know

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being

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and so to me i i was my parents were a

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roman catholic and uh so i thought that

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i had encountered god but what was

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interesting in this experience is that

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after that

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after this insight

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it's like if i downloaded information

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about my life plan

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i i received information showing that

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i was supposed to become

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later on because i was only eight by by

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then but

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i would become a neuroscientist and my

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task would be to unite with other

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scientists around the world to

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to demonstrate that

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the brain does not create

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human essence

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mind consciousness spirit

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it's it acts as an interface

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so that was the starting point and then

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i became very sick 12 years at the

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beginning of my 20s and i've had a

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near-death experience

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i've received more information about

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the the kind of research program i would

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undergo a few years later

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and so

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many many times journalists ask me uh

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why did you do the study you did uh

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with regard to spirituality and you know

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contemplative nouns in in the scanners

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things like that

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negative experiences

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that was the these two experiences were

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the uh the main reason

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i have to admit

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that's really great and i'm glad you

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shared that because one of the

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interesting things about your work

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that you have to you don't really have

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to dig that far to get it but is this

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spiritual angle you know you wrote a

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book the spiritual brain

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yes

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you've done like i said you've

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sought out the dalai lama to connect

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with spiritual people you talk about

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spiritually transformative experiences

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and even that you know is a line that

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some folks in this frontier science

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post-materialist kind of thing

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it's a line that they don't want to

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cross and it's understandable too it's

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particularly understandable for people

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who haven't had that direct experience

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you know i've spoken with dean rayden a

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couple times i don't get the sense and

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i've asked him that he's had that kind

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of direct spiritual experience so he

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doesn't report on that

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in a way it's even it's it's it's

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wonderful that we can have

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people who can intellectually get there

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as well as people who can experientially

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get there and then say now let me see if

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my science can can help me

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get there as well so

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what do you make of that

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on a practical level because you're

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you you are a guy who

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has this then

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spiritual insight the spiritual knowing

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that is so so profound

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but you've also had to walk a careful

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path

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down the the science

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because i got a lot of thoughts on that

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a lot of concerns that maybe we're not

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being aggressive enough in really kind

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of calling [\h__\h] on what's happened

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yes well i've not been balanced i've not

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been wise

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because after these experiences i knew

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exactly what i had to do and i wanted to

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do

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so when i i received my phd at the

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university of montreal

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uh

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i had to do a postdoctoral fellowship

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that how it works

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i so i checked the entirety of

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neuroscience

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back then

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uh it was in the

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you know in nine beginning of the 90s

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nobody was doing the kind of research i

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wanted to do

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so i knew that i had to do something

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else

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i had to wait

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for a few years so i decided to become

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an expert in brain imaging because brain

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imaging was emerging

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and i knew that it would be a useful

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technology to study these experiences

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and to see what's going on in the brain

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and

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but i also met with famous

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neuroscientists who were still alive

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back

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then and i told them about

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my dream what i wanted to do and they

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told me don't do this because you're

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going to kill yourself it it's a suicide

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you will be destroyed and

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i asked them why

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why

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it's then that i discovered that

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neuroscience is supposed to be objective

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but

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objective because it's conducted by

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human beings and human beings have all

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their they have

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they have their own belief systems

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they have emotions

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uh motivations hidden agendas and so on

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and so forth and then i discovered that

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neuroscience was like uh

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you know religion

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and there was a vatican there was a pope

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and there were a few central dogmas that

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you have to respect and one of these

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dogmas was the the

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idea that

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the brain produced the mind as a

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for instance the liver

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secretes certain enzymes stuff like that

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and uh

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so i i start

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right then i started to fight with these

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uh famous people from the montreal

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neurological institute and

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they were i realized that they were

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playing a game

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uh but the system was built upon a

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certain number of these assumptions and

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and they they made me realize they told

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me if you're not wise and if you don't

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respect

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you don't play the game correctly

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you will be expelled that that's what is

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going to happen to you and that's this

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is exactly what happened 17 years after

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that

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at the university of montreal so i i

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went to united states to do a

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postdoctoral uh

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fellowship at the university of texas in

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houston for a few years

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and then i came back at mcgill

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university at mount the famous montreal

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neurological institute that was created

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at the end of the 20s by wilder penfield

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famous

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neurosci one of the uh

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pioneers of the neuroscience

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and penfield started as a mainstream

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scientist

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as a an atheist

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uh

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the more he was progressing in his

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career

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the the more he started to have doubts

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about

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the central dogma of neuroscience and at

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the end of his

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life he was he had become a dualist

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he uh

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and he wrote

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a little book about this and

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uh he was all quite old by then and his

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colleagues that i met

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who were very old they uh all thought

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that he has lost

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you know is that his compass that uh he

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lost it because he was a bit demented

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but that you know he was seeing very

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clearly and

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but

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you know all these guys what the dad

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told me was right and i experienced it

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myself because after uh mcgill and

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university i the university of montreal

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hired me

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to become a researcher there

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and we were starting the new brain

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imaging center and so i was involved in

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that

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and everything went well

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for a number of years when i was doing

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the uh the classical studies that they

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were expecting me to do and the

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partnership with big pharma and things

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like that they they enjoyed that and

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there's a lot of money involved in this

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and uh but that's not what i wanted to

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do so i started to do

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studies that were considered to be uh

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that didn't fit within the the system

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uh

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because i

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for instance i uh convinced

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uh

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carmelite nuns who were living in the

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convent

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and they were contemplative so they were

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not supposed to to leave the the convert

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but

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after several months of discussion i i

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managed to convince them to leave the

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conference and to

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lay inside a scanner functional magnetic

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resonance major scanner and

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to try to enter into a spiritual state

576
00:22:32,950 --> 00:22:30,640
and so on and so forth and i've done

577
00:22:35,430 --> 00:22:32,960
several studies like that

578
00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:35,440
and uh then i started to have problems

579
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:37,600
with the the direction of the uh the

580
00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:39,600
medical school at the university of

581
00:22:43,190 --> 00:22:41,200
montreal because

582
00:22:45,510 --> 00:22:43,200
and they started to uh

583
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:45,520
try to intimidate me because they

584
00:22:49,990 --> 00:22:48,480
they told me that

585
00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:50,000
they could play with my life

586
00:22:55,190 --> 00:22:51,440
professionally

587
00:22:58,149 --> 00:22:55,200
with my salary with uh and if i didn't

588
00:23:01,909 --> 00:22:58,159
listen to what they were telling me

589
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:01,919
uh bad things would happen to me and so

590
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:03,760
i've been

591
00:23:08,310 --> 00:23:06,480
bullied like that for years i never

592
00:23:09,909 --> 00:23:08,320
talked about this openly that's the

593
00:23:12,549 --> 00:23:09,919
first time i do that

594
00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:12,559
and i don't care if they come back and

595
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:14,320
because i have too many proof

596
00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:16,320
evidence of that

597
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:17,520
and

598
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:19,760
behind closed doors

599
00:23:23,350 --> 00:23:21,360
they took they told me

600
00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:23,360
you know the the leaders of the the

601
00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:24,640
medical school

602
00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:27,200
you cannot do this within the walls of

603
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:28,720
university of montreal this type of

604
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:30,880
studies we don't want that

605
00:23:34,470 --> 00:23:32,640
we want you to do

606
00:23:36,870 --> 00:23:34,480
partnership with

607
00:23:39,430 --> 00:23:36,880
big pharma and you know the classical

608
00:23:42,310 --> 00:23:39,440
studies using all the various tools of

609
00:23:45,029 --> 00:23:42,320
neural science and

610
00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:45,039
and i said no every time they were doing

611
00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:46,799
that once a year

612
00:23:51,190 --> 00:23:48,400
reviewing what i had done so they

613
00:23:54,310 --> 00:23:51,200
refused to give me my tenure

614
00:23:57,029 --> 00:23:54,320
even though i was i was bringing them

615
00:23:59,110 --> 00:23:57,039
visibility all over the planet i was

616
00:24:00,710 --> 00:23:59,120
invited to meet with the dairy lammer i

617
00:24:02,310 --> 00:24:00,720
was invited uh

618
00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:02,320
to speak at the

619
00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:05,120
united nations in new york

620
00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:06,000
uh

621
00:24:12,149 --> 00:24:11,279
evolution of society and so on and so

622
00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:12,159
forth

623
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:14,320
i was bringing them a lot of visibility

624
00:24:19,590 --> 00:24:17,600
but not the kind of visibility expected

625
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:19,600
from me didn't want that

626
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:22,080
because and i i realized that they were

627
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:24,240
there to maintain

628
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:26,960
an ideology in place

629
00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:30,320
they they were not interested in truth

630
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:32,480
they were not no they were interested in

631
00:24:39,510 --> 00:24:33,600
the

632
00:24:41,909 --> 00:24:39,520
and

633
00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:41,919
you know so i was a black sheep i was a

634
00:24:46,149 --> 00:24:43,360
maverick

635
00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:46,159
and people start to say that about me

636
00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:48,080
all over the planet but the

637
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:51,360
but since i was a nice person the uh

638
00:24:55,350 --> 00:24:53,039
it was going well all over the planet i

639
00:24:56,950 --> 00:24:55,360
receive offers from various universities

640
00:25:00,549 --> 00:24:56,960
around the world

641
00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:00,559
in united states and brazil and and

642
00:25:06,310 --> 00:25:04,240
people were telling me uh

643
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:06,320
we uh we want you to create something

644
00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:08,240
new and um so

645
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:11,120
but i was expelled in 2013 from the

646
00:25:15,510 --> 00:25:13,600
university of madrid my my contract my

647
00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:15,520
research contract even though i had

648
00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:17,600
grants

649
00:25:20,789 --> 00:25:18,720
uh

650
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:20,799
it was not renewed and they did they

651
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:23,360
were not able to give me the the reasons

652
00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:25,200
the official reasons because of course i

653
00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:28,320
would have hired a lawyer and i would

654
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:30,400
have sued them but

655
00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:34,559
but some people spoke to me people were

656
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:37,919
members of the committees who decided

657
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:40,320
what will would happen with me and some

658
00:25:45,430 --> 00:25:42,960
people have told me so i know

659
00:25:46,630 --> 00:25:45,440
and the reasons were purely ideological

660
00:25:47,669 --> 00:25:46,640
they

661
00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:47,679
you know

662
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:50,320
yeah i was uh

663
00:25:53,830 --> 00:25:52,720
you know i was a black sheep really i

664
00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:53,840
didn't want

665
00:25:56,549 --> 00:25:55,520
that so

666
00:25:58,390 --> 00:25:56,559
a few

667
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:58,400
weeks after that

668
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:00,640
gary schwartz who was a

669
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:02,880
another controversial researcher but at

670
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:05,279
the university of arizona

671
00:26:07,350 --> 00:26:06,320
uh

672
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:07,360
a few

673
00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:09,679
years before that

674
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:11,200
at the university of arizona they

675
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:12,720
created the first

676
00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:15,600
research center on consciousness

677
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:16,960
and

678
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:20,880
philosophers of science

679
00:26:24,789 --> 00:26:23,120
like david chalmers

680
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:24,799
they were all involved in the creation

681
00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:27,760
amraf and others they were involved in

682
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:30,080
the creation of the center

683
00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:32,159
and gary schwartz didn't know me

684
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:34,080
personally but it's it's so funny

685
00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:37,039
because he said

686
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:38,960
there's an inner voice that told me to

687
00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:41,279
contact you

688
00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:43,520
so he found my email address

689
00:26:49,510 --> 00:26:46,559
he had seen my books so he knew i was a

690
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:49,520
but and and then when i saw him

691
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:51,120
online

692
00:26:54,710 --> 00:26:52,640
um

693
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:54,720
he told me uh

694
00:26:58,149 --> 00:26:56,640
is there something wrong or is there

695
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:58,159
something that i could do for you

696
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:59,200
because

697
00:27:02,310 --> 00:27:00,000
i'm

698
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:02,320
pushed to i don't know

699
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:04,400
i feel that i have to

700
00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:06,559
call you and to ask you what's going on

701
00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:09,120
and so i explained to him what had just

702
00:27:13,269 --> 00:27:11,360
happened to me he said uh at the

703
00:27:15,430 --> 00:27:13,279
university of arizona we would be proud

704
00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:15,440
to have somebody like you

705
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:17,279
we wouldn't see you like

706
00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:20,960
a black sheep but to the contrary

707
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:22,480
because there's open-minded more

708
00:27:26,230 --> 00:27:24,480
open-mindedness for virus reasons

709
00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:26,240
because of the people that were there

710
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:29,039
and so it was uh a mixed bag you know

711
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:31,760
you you had also the uh

712
00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:34,480
the atheist materialists

713
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:38,000
but you had also more open-minded people

714
00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:39,679
so that's how i became affiliated with

715
00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:41,840
the university of arizona it's another

716
00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:45,679
interesting story and that's how

717
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:46,880
after

718
00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:50,159
having talked to gary and

719
00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:52,799
i uh i proposed

720
00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:55,600
you know to launch this uh

721
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:58,080
new most post materialist movement and

722
00:28:01,510 --> 00:28:00,000
so he helped me and we organized the

723
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:01,520
first meeting and

724
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:03,840
then the manifesto then the academy and

725
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:06,240
so on and so forth so right now i'm

726
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:09,120
doing theoretical work about

727
00:28:12,549 --> 00:28:11,200
a new model of mind brain

728
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:12,559
relationship

729
00:28:19,110 --> 00:28:18,149
spirituality spiritual experiences now

730
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:19,120
that's

731
00:28:27,190 --> 00:28:24,960
to me it's this is the real new science

732
00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:27,200
of mind and consciousness

733
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:29,679
not not the old stuff of

734
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:32,159
and edelman and

735
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:35,039
chandra and all these old guys you know

736
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:37,440
they did

737
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:39,120
yeah so so

738
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:41,760
so i'm very much involved in this uh

739
00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:44,720
transition toward something new

740
00:28:49,990 --> 00:28:49,029
there's progress because

741
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:50,000
some

742
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:52,240
people like for instance christoph

743
00:28:55,510 --> 00:28:53,279
cook

744
00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:55,520
was working with

745
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:59,039
you know francis crick for several years

746
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:01,440
he was a an open

747
00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:04,320
materialist atheist like like his former

748
00:29:08,549 --> 00:29:05,600
boss

749
00:29:11,350 --> 00:29:08,559
and now he's changed his discourse now

750
00:29:13,510 --> 00:29:11,360
now he's stuck he's you know he's coming

751
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:13,520
you know very slowly to our camp because

752
00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:16,480
he's recognizing that perhaps perhaps we

753
00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:19,039
won't be able to use materialist models

754
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:21,440
to explain or to reduce

755
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:23,840
consciousness or it's a

756
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:27,600
primary principle but uh he's still

757
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:29,200
trying to

758
00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:32,080
uh like david chalmers also and but

759
00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:33,360
these guys are

760
00:29:39,269 --> 00:29:35,919
to me they they like chicken they don't

761
00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:39,279
uh they're not as enough courageous to

762
00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:42,159
say openly you know tell what you think

763
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:43,200
really

764
00:29:46,230 --> 00:29:44,720
um

765
00:29:49,510 --> 00:29:46,240
because they're you know they have

766
00:29:51,909 --> 00:29:49,520
things to protect the uh cook direct

767
00:29:53,909 --> 00:29:51,919
he's the director of a research center

768
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:53,919
and or an institute and so on and so

769
00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:56,960
forth and in my case i never

770
00:30:02,070 --> 00:29:58,960
i never cared about all those things and

771
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:02,080
i destroyed several relationships and i

772
00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:04,080
lost many opportunities because of that

773
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:05,520
because i

774
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:06,480
uh

775
00:30:12,789 --> 00:30:10,240
i didn't care

776
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:12,799
you know i just cared about what i felt

777
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:14,799
deep within and

778
00:30:17,909 --> 00:30:16,720
my sense of mission what i had to

779
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:17,919
accomplish

780
00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:21,120
i knew and i knew it would be a battle

781
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:22,960
but

782
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:25,039
you know i decided to go for it because

783
00:30:31,510 --> 00:30:28,799
i it's who i am so

784
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:31,520
i think that's a really really important

785
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:33,360
story and i'm glad you shared all that

786
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:35,279
i'm glad you shared that about gary

787
00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:37,200
schwartz because a lot of times he

788
00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:39,600
doesn't get credit for standing and

789
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:42,000
holding that space you know so he's done

790
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:44,399
some things and people can kind of laugh

791
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:46,000
you know geraldo and all the rest of

792
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:49,440
that stuff but no he has marched forward

793
00:30:52,470 --> 00:30:51,360
and held that space and he's brilliant

794
00:30:55,269 --> 00:30:52,480
right i mean

795
00:30:57,269 --> 00:30:55,279
dale harvard yeah all that

796
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:57,279
maximum credentials but the other thing

797
00:31:01,909 --> 00:30:59,600
that you said that i think is is

798
00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:01,919
is the next level stuff that we got to

799
00:31:07,669 --> 00:31:05,600
get to if we're really going to support

800
00:31:10,710 --> 00:31:07,679
gladiators of the light

801
00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:10,720
which you are mario you are a gladiator

802
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:14,080
of the light you are not interested in

803
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:15,600
compromise

804
00:31:21,669 --> 00:31:18,399
where in in the scientific sense right

805
00:31:24,310 --> 00:31:21,679
a scientist isn't interested in stupid

806
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:24,320
ideas and compromising and saying well

807
00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:26,880
you know everybody has a point of view

808
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:29,039
and if you kind of ran the numbers this

809
00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:31,679
way no that's our that's the beauty of

810
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:34,240
science is it allows us to play this

811
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:36,320
game that we really can measure things

812
00:31:39,909 --> 00:31:37,840
because we know we can't really measure

813
00:31:41,909 --> 00:31:39,919
things but if we were going to measure

814
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:41,919
things this is the result that we have

815
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:43,919
and this is where we get

816
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:46,480
so one of the things i want to do

817
00:31:51,990 --> 00:31:48,960
in this interview is kind of pull you

818
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:52,000
further into and get your thoughts on

819
00:31:58,230 --> 00:31:55,440
how deep this thing goes how deep this

820
00:32:00,470 --> 00:31:58,240
battle and it really is

821
00:32:01,509 --> 00:32:00,480
and this is again going to turn people

822
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:01,519
off

823
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:03,360
but at some level this is a deeper

824
00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:06,000
spiritual battle that we are

825
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:08,720
somehow engaged in and i say that not

826
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:10,240
knowing what that means i'm not a

827
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:12,320
christian i'm not at all a religious

828
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:14,880
person but it's kind of hard to deny

829
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:17,360
that there's some elements to this that

830
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:20,240
do look like a battle let me play you a

831
00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:22,960
clip because in your book in this latest

832
00:32:26,389 --> 00:32:24,559
new book that people really need to

833
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:26,399
check out as well as your other books

834
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:29,279
expanding reality one of the things you

835
00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:31,679
touch on because you have to because

836
00:32:35,190 --> 00:32:32,960
it's such an important part of this

837
00:32:37,269 --> 00:32:35,200
whole story it's such an important part

838
00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:37,279
of reclaiming our history

839
00:32:42,310 --> 00:32:40,159
is the remote viewing project stargate

840
00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:42,320
at sri

841
00:32:46,870 --> 00:32:44,559
but it goes very deep

842
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:46,880
and in some ways it goes much darker

843
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:48,960
than we're willing to sometimes go to

844
00:32:52,950 --> 00:32:50,640
let me play this clip it's a couple

845
00:32:54,870 --> 00:32:52,960
minutes long and then let's talk about

846
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:54,880
it

847
00:32:57,990 --> 00:32:56,159
i have an interview coming up in a

848
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:58,000
minute with lance

849
00:33:04,630 --> 00:33:00,720
the creator of the fantastic movie third

850
00:33:06,149 --> 00:33:04,640
eye spies a true story of cia psychic

851
00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:06,159
spying

852
00:33:09,509 --> 00:33:07,919
okay i don't really have to play that

853
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:09,519
clip and you can go listen to that show

854
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:11,200
if you want but also i don't have to

855
00:33:15,669 --> 00:33:13,440
play that clip because i kind of teed up

856
00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:15,679
and summarize it to mario

857
00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:17,200
here

858
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:22,480
have to fully embrace this history we

859
00:33:28,230 --> 00:33:25,440
have to pull it apart and i think

860
00:33:31,029 --> 00:33:28,240
frontier scientists like you are and we

861
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:31,039
know the frontier scientists because

862
00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:33,200
they don't only have arrows in the front

863
00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:35,120
from the people they're pushing against

864
00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:37,120
and they have arrows in the back too

865
00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:38,559
because that's the guy who's always out

866
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:40,480
front he's got arrows in his back as

867
00:33:45,909 --> 00:33:43,200
well as the front this is our history so

868
00:33:47,909 --> 00:33:45,919
part of this history is [\h__\h] yes we did

869
00:33:50,070 --> 00:33:47,919
this post-materialist

870
00:33:51,669 --> 00:33:50,080
[\h__\h] so the people at montreal

871
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:51,679
they're playing some kind of game

872
00:33:57,029 --> 00:33:54,000
because the real players at mcgill

873
00:33:59,269 --> 00:33:57,039
locked in the mk ultra lab they were way

874
00:34:01,509 --> 00:33:59,279
past materialism they were how do we

875
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:01,519
operationalize this how do we mind

876
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:03,760
control people how do we do telepathy

877
00:34:07,509 --> 00:34:05,600
how do we do remote viewing they weren't

878
00:34:10,869 --> 00:34:07,519
sitting around wringing their hands

879
00:34:12,869 --> 00:34:10,879
going gee is remote viewing true or is

880
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:12,879
sensory deprivation true is

881
00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:15,359
disassociative identity in split person

882
00:34:19,790 --> 00:34:18,320
is that true they were not questioning

883
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:19,800
that they were

884
00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:22,800
operationalizing it that is our history

885
00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:25,520
and so that's i guess point number one

886
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:27,520
and point number two that comes along

887
00:34:31,349 --> 00:34:29,760
with it is a bunch of other weird stuff

888
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:31,359
that we don't talk about because it's

889
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:33,599
not comfortable to talk about but it you

890
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:35,040
know that would include

891
00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:37,359
all the ufo stuff and all that so let's

892
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:39,440
just start with the first part of

893
00:34:43,829 --> 00:34:41,760
embracing our history fully engaging

894
00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:43,839
with it and number two

895
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:45,760
calling [\h__\h]

896
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:49,040
on this idea that the academy

897
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:49,919
is

898
00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:55,440
dogma and it's one funeral at a time

899
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:56,639
[\h__\h]

900
00:35:01,270 --> 00:34:58,800
there is some kind of directive behind

901
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:01,280
this that says we do not want to go in

902
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:03,839
this direction we do not want people

903
00:35:08,069 --> 00:35:05,440
thinking that there's that there are

904
00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:08,079
these expanded divine beings that are

905
00:35:14,069 --> 00:35:10,880
somehow connected to something much more

906
00:35:17,109 --> 00:35:14,079
we want them to stay limited controlled

907
00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:17,119
biological robot because that's fits

908
00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:19,280
more with our agenda and i'm

909
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:21,040
opinionating there but i want to lay it

910
00:35:25,030 --> 00:35:22,720
out there and get your opinion

911
00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:25,040
well yes i agree with you it's a it's

912
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:26,720
part of

913
00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:29,280
a social engineering program

914
00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:30,400
clearly

915
00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:33,520
and uh you know in the video uh we

916
00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:37,040
talked about uh sydney gutley

917
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:41,440
well he had a double life so he was a

918
00:35:46,069 --> 00:35:45,040
well-known neuroscientist pharmacologist

919
00:35:47,589 --> 00:35:46,079
worked with

920
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:47,599
big pharma

921
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:50,160
was one of the pioneers actually

922
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:52,000
but he had uh

923
00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:54,640
you know he was doing uh in secret

924
00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:57,119
all those experiments and he was doing

925
00:36:00,390 --> 00:35:58,720
that with the people at montreal

926
00:36:02,390 --> 00:36:00,400
neurological institute

927
00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:02,400
at the allen memorial the psychiatric

928
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:03,520
institute

929
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:05,760
so that all the the the guys i was

930
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:07,680
talking to when i was a youngest

931
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:10,240
aspiring neuroscientist these are the

932
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:12,400
the the same people cameron you want to

933
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:15,040
talk about cameron i never met him uh

934
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:16,560
cameron no

935
00:36:22,950 --> 00:36:20,000
but i met all the other ones

936
00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:22,960
and so they were you know uh and it was

937
00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:25,280
clear that they were upset and one of

938
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:26,800
them told me

939
00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:29,040
and she's very she's a celebrity she's

940
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:31,760
almost a 100 years old now

941
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:33,520
very famous i won't mention her name

942
00:36:37,109 --> 00:36:34,720
because

943
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:37,119
but people will recognize her

944
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:40,480
and she told me as long as i'm alive and

945
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:41,920
i'm controlling the montreal

946
00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:45,119
neurological institute you'll never do

947
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:47,599
studies neuroscience studies on

948
00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:49,920
spirituality

949
00:36:52,950 --> 00:36:52,000
never so she

950
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:52,960
she

951
00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:54,880
organized something with all the other

952
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:57,280
members of the committee the ethics

953
00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:59,119
research committee and the scientific

954
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:00,320
committees

955
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:03,040
to prevent me from doing these studies i

956
00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:04,079
had

957
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:06,320
earned a grant

958
00:37:11,030 --> 00:37:08,400
from the templeton foundation based in

959
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:11,040
the united states but i was not allowed

960
00:37:15,910 --> 00:37:13,200
they they blocked me because

961
00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:15,920
and what and i asked them

962
00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:16,960
what for

963
00:37:22,150 --> 00:37:19,520
what is the reason and i when i started

964
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:22,160
to argue about them regarding spiritual

965
00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:23,520
experiences and

966
00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:26,079
they were becoming bizarre totally like

967
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:27,599
if uh

968
00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:30,560
so and then i i knew that

969
00:37:34,390 --> 00:37:33,359
it was more than it was a

970
00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:34,400
war

971
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:36,800
really between

972
00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:37,680
two

973
00:37:44,390 --> 00:37:42,000
different paradigms

974
00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:44,400
dark and yeah and light

975
00:37:49,589 --> 00:37:47,440
that's what i understood then

976
00:37:51,430 --> 00:37:49,599
but i couldn't prove it but now with

977
00:37:53,670 --> 00:37:51,440
everything that is happening on the

978
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:53,680
planet regarding the

979
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:55,200
you know what

980
00:37:59,670 --> 00:37:56,960
um

981
00:38:02,390 --> 00:37:59,680
it's very obvious

982
00:38:04,150 --> 00:38:02,400
now it's very clear i i think i think it

983
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:04,160
is obvious and i think more people need

984
00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:06,240
to stand up and talk about it and i

985
00:38:10,470 --> 00:38:08,000
think we need to

986
00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:10,480
wind it back a little bit because

987
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:12,880
they've shifted the game a little bit

988
00:38:16,630 --> 00:38:15,200
it's no longer about

989
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:16,640
consciousness

990
00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:19,200
per se there's no longer the

991
00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:20,720
dawkins and

992
00:38:26,230 --> 00:38:23,680
you know uh that kind of stuff

993
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:26,240
but what they have introduced is kind of

994
00:38:31,750 --> 00:38:28,800
a direct you know you look at just lane

995
00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:31,760
maxwell being tried now and you know but

996
00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:34,960
this is satanism and it's openly satanic

997
00:38:40,150 --> 00:38:37,839
practices and we've interviewed people

998
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:40,160
on this show that have been

999
00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:41,359
part of

1000
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:43,920
satanic ritual abuse cults and you get

1001
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:46,480
to this dissociative identity disorder

1002
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:48,320
and again folks don't take this wrong

1003
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:50,320
i'm not a christian i don't know what a

1004
00:38:56,069 --> 00:38:52,960
satanic cult is i don't even know what

1005
00:38:58,710 --> 00:38:56,079
that means inside of my world view i

1006
00:39:01,670 --> 00:38:58,720
know that there is this extended realm

1007
00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:01,680
that because people like dr beauregard

1008
00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:03,280
come back and say hey we study it

1009
00:39:06,150 --> 00:39:04,880
scientifically we study near-death

1010
00:39:07,349 --> 00:39:06,160
experience

1011
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:07,359
i don't know what to tell you there's an

1012
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:09,280
extended realm people die and they go

1013
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:11,440
someplace there's reincarnation i don't

1014
00:39:14,710 --> 00:39:13,200
know what to tell you they died we don't

1015
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:14,720
have to come to a bunch of firm

1016
00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:16,320
conclusions we don't have to pull out

1017
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:18,480
the bible and say this is what it means

1018
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:20,160
we can just say

1019
00:39:25,349 --> 00:39:22,960
what they're telling us is [\h__\h]

1020
00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:25,359
those guys at mcgill the guys at

1021
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:28,240
montreal knew there was an extended

1022
00:39:32,230 --> 00:39:30,240
realm and they were playing with it and

1023
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:32,240
they were trying to tap into it and they

1024
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:35,200
were trying to justify it as

1025
00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:37,760
well if we don't if we don't tap into it

1026
00:39:41,589 --> 00:39:40,000
and this could be both dark or light if

1027
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:41,599
we don't explore all the sides of it

1028
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:43,520
well then darn it the russians will it

1029
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:45,760
and what if they got satan on their team

1030
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:46,640
and what

1031
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:48,480
and believe me folks these are really

1032
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:50,400
the kind if you look through

1033
00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:52,640
the documents the released foia

1034
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:54,640
documents released in the canada and

1035
00:39:58,870 --> 00:39:56,640
recently u.s this is what these guys are

1036
00:40:00,870 --> 00:39:58,880
talking about and in one way

1037
00:40:02,230 --> 00:40:00,880
you kind of got to go well i'm glad

1038
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:02,240
somebody's

1039
00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:04,960
at least considering that but where they

1040
00:40:09,430 --> 00:40:07,680
went with it in terms of the experiments

1041
00:40:11,109 --> 00:40:09,440
that they did do and where they were

1042
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:11,119
willing to go and the lines that they

1043
00:40:16,309 --> 00:40:13,200
were willing to cross all of which were

1044
00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:16,319
in this extended post-materialist realm

1045
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:19,280
it make gives us pause as to considering

1046
00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:21,520
what you're saying is what is really

1047
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:22,880
behind

1048
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:25,440
them not wanting to go and look at this

1049
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:27,680
research

1050
00:40:29,589 --> 00:40:28,720
yes

1051
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:29,599
well

1052
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:32,160
they are actors they

1053
00:40:37,270 --> 00:40:34,560
you know they are participating in this

1054
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:37,280
battle but they are on the other side

1055
00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:38,880
clearly

1056
00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:41,200
yeah because they

1057
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:42,400
yeah they

1058
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:44,880
and that it's true that several of these

1059
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:46,160
old people

1060
00:40:50,790 --> 00:40:48,960
were there when i was when i started

1061
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:50,800
they they were part of the

1062
00:40:54,790 --> 00:40:53,280
this theme exactly

1063
00:40:57,589 --> 00:40:54,800
that we're doing studies in

1064
00:41:03,109 --> 00:40:57,599
collaboration with cia

1065
00:41:07,829 --> 00:41:05,430
so let's let's take this one other

1066
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:07,839
direction kind of on a less

1067
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:09,839
take it down a notch for people who

1068
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:11,359
can't maybe

1069
00:41:15,910 --> 00:41:13,280
go there all the way

1070
00:41:19,030 --> 00:41:15,920
the other thing that i think you are a

1071
00:41:21,109 --> 00:41:19,040
testament to in your story your life

1072
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:21,119
your documented

1073
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:23,200
history in academia you know someone

1074
00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:25,200
could just go look like you said how do

1075
00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:27,200
you fire a guy who has a templeton

1076
00:41:32,069 --> 00:41:30,160
foundation grant how do you do that

1077
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:32,079
oh yeah and i earned several uh

1078
00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:34,960
scientific prizes prices awards and

1079
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:37,760
uh all over the planet yeah so so that

1080
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:38,560
is

1081
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:42,480
what i'd kind of tie it back to and that

1082
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:43,760
is

1083
00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:48,400
in in

1084
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:50,960
this community this broader community

1085
00:41:55,829 --> 00:41:53,760
that you work in that aren't willing to

1086
00:41:58,230 --> 00:41:55,839
really entertain that discussion that we

1087
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:58,240
just had they just can't go there where

1088
00:42:03,510 --> 00:42:00,960
they can't go is this idea that you

1089
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:03,520
alluded to that we have a sense right

1090
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:04,480
now

1091
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:07,280
that in some ways the social contract

1092
00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:08,880
between science

1093
00:42:18,309 --> 00:42:16,240
that that contract has in in a way that

1094
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:18,319
i've never seen in my life just been

1095
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:20,319
thrown out the window i mean they don't

1096
00:42:25,349 --> 00:42:22,640
even they don't even pretend to care and

1097
00:42:27,510 --> 00:42:25,359
the ignorance is is quite dramatic let

1098
00:42:29,430 --> 00:42:27,520
me play a couple clips

1099
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:29,440
really quick and then we'll we'll chat

1100
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:30,400
about that

1101
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:31,520
okay

1102
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:33,920
so the first is from our friend rupert

1103
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:36,400
sheldrick back in 2013

1104
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:38,000
when he was

1105
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:41,040
his ted talk was banned and i'll play

1106
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:42,880
my show on my interview with him just a

1107
00:42:47,990 --> 00:42:45,359
few seconds of it and then we'll talk

1108
00:42:50,069 --> 00:42:48,000
on this episode of skeptico alex talks

1109
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:50,079
with dr rupert sheldrick about being

1110
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:52,319
censored by the ted conference

1111
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:55,599
the irony of this is if not hilarious

1112
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:58,000
it's certainly inescapable i mean a

1113
00:43:03,109 --> 00:43:00,640
reputable scientist publishes a book

1114
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:03,119
claiming that science is dogmatic and

1115
00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:04,960
then is censored by an anonymous

1116
00:43:10,309 --> 00:43:08,000
scientific board what does this say how

1117
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:10,319
science can be dogmatic without even

1118
00:43:14,309 --> 00:43:12,400
realizing it's dogmatic

1119
00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:14,319
well i think in a way there's this whole

1120
00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:16,240
controversy and the people who weighed

1121
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:19,680
in in favor of the ted actions do indeed

1122
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:22,000
confirm what i'm saying that these

1123
00:43:25,750 --> 00:43:23,760
dogmas the ones that most people within

1124
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:25,760
science don't actually realize the

1125
00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:28,160
dogmas they just think they're the truth

1126
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:30,160
and the point about really dogmatic

1127
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:31,760
people is that they don't know they have

1128
00:43:36,390 --> 00:43:34,480
dogmas dogmas or beliefs and people who

1129
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:36,400
have really strong beliefs think of

1130
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:38,160
their beliefs as truth they don't

1131
00:43:42,150 --> 00:43:40,400
actually see them as beliefs so i think

1132
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:42,160
this whole controversy has actually

1133
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:45,440
highlighted exactly that

1134
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:47,040
so i'm going to pause it there for a

1135
00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:49,760
second and i would almost say

1136
00:43:53,750 --> 00:43:52,240
that those are the good old days

1137
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:53,760
because it seems like there was some

1138
00:43:57,910 --> 00:43:56,160
restraint back then there was actually

1139
00:44:01,030 --> 00:43:57,920
it caused a stir

1140
00:44:03,430 --> 00:44:01,040
when a reputable scientist like rupert

1141
00:44:05,589 --> 00:44:03,440
sheldrick was banned people were kind of

1142
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:05,599
up in arms and say hey you can't do that

1143
00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:07,680
science has a right to speak and speak

1144
00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:10,160
freely that is our social contract that

1145
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:12,640
is what we we we demand

1146
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:14,560
here is it's been broken

1147
00:44:19,270 --> 00:44:17,440
it's not there anymore so let me play a

1148
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:19,280
clip from an interview i just did

1149
00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:20,400
recently

1150
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:22,880
with uh sarah and jack gorman i think

1151
00:44:26,390 --> 00:44:24,000
it's pretty

1152
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:26,400
self-explanatory

1153
00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:28,640
these people are super smart qualified

1154
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:30,560
sarah you know undergraduate degree

1155
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:34,000
harvard phd columbia

1156
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:36,079
so speaking of silliness here's where i

1157
00:44:41,109 --> 00:44:38,640
start which seems obvious to me to

1158
00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:41,119
anyone who cares about science

1159
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:42,240
and that is

1160
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:45,119
should we limit scientific debate i i do

1161
00:44:48,870 --> 00:44:46,880
think that anybody who spreads

1162
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:48,880
information about

1163
00:44:52,710 --> 00:44:51,280
medical technology that people need in

1164
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:52,720
order to survive

1165
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:54,480
that's not true

1166
00:44:58,630 --> 00:44:56,960
and usually it's intentionally not true

1167
00:45:00,870 --> 00:44:58,640
i don't think that they should be

1168
00:45:03,270 --> 00:45:00,880
allowed to have any platform they want

1169
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:03,280
sarah who would determine what's not

1170
00:45:07,990 --> 00:45:05,839
true isn't that the job of science yeah

1171
00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:08,000
well science has already determined

1172
00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:09,680
certain things about vaccines that

1173
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:11,200
they're safe and effective certain

1174
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:13,520
vaccines that they're saying

1175
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:15,760
so i'll i'll cut it off there this is

1176
00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:17,599
the water unfortunately you've had to

1177
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:18,640
swim in

1178
00:45:22,390 --> 00:45:20,640
all your life but what comes through to

1179
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:22,400
me and the reason i played the sheldrick

1180
00:45:28,150 --> 00:45:24,640
clip first and you totally

1181
00:45:31,349 --> 00:45:28,160
got this so i want you to speak to it is

1182
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:31,359
it's it's different now it's like

1183
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:34,640
sarah gorman phd from columbia

1184
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:37,680
is really that clueless she really if

1185
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:40,560
they're burning books in columbia in the

1186
00:45:45,829 --> 00:45:43,280
center square that don't agree with her

1187
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:45,839
even if they're from the most reputable

1188
00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:48,319
scientist he's published in nature

1189
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:50,480
multiple times many have and they're

1190
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:53,119
being banned she's like no i'm bought

1191
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:55,440
into the program that we don't have to

1192
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:58,160
listen to people who don't agree with

1193
00:46:01,990 --> 00:46:00,560
this so speak to that because that that

1194
00:46:04,230 --> 00:46:02,000
if people don't get the spiritual

1195
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:04,240
warfare they get they get that that's

1196
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:07,520
somehow a breaking of that contract

1197
00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:09,599
well that's the the kind of scientists

1198
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:11,280
who uh

1199
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:13,359
will lead us to uh

1200
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:16,480
a tyranny tyrannatical system and uh

1201
00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:18,480
that reminds me of something

1202
00:46:23,109 --> 00:46:20,560
you know there's a famous university in

1203
00:46:26,309 --> 00:46:23,119
paris uh it's very old it's called the

1204
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:26,319
sarban it's a bit like harvard but

1205
00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:28,400
for the french people

1206
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:30,800
and about 10 years ago they invited me

1207
00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:32,720
to give a lecture on my work

1208
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:34,640
and i went there and they

1209
00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:37,920
the organizers invited members of the

1210
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:40,079
french academy of sciences

1211
00:46:47,829 --> 00:46:41,200
that's

1212
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:47,839
so they lit they start by listening to

1213
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:50,400
you and then they will make comments on

1214
00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:52,319
what you just presented

1215
00:46:56,790 --> 00:46:54,160
so

1216
00:46:59,190 --> 00:46:56,800
i was seeing that during my talk and it

1217
00:47:02,230 --> 00:46:59,200
lasted for a few hours

1218
00:47:06,309 --> 00:47:02,240
their pressure was rising

1219
00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:06,319
they they had they were red taste and uh

1220
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:09,359
at the end the president of the

1221
00:47:14,230 --> 00:47:10,480
academy

1222
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:14,240
very uh a noble man very well recognized

1223
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:16,079
in france

1224
00:47:20,549 --> 00:47:18,240
he said it's too bad that we're not uh

1225
00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:20,559
200 200 years ago because uh you know

1226
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:22,319
what we would do with you or you know

1227
00:47:25,750 --> 00:47:24,400
what we would like to do with a guy like

1228
00:47:29,589 --> 00:47:25,760
you

1229
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:29,599
i said i i think i have an idea

1230
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:31,760
they would use the guillotine or even

1231
00:47:36,069 --> 00:47:34,400
they would burn you at the stake

1232
00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:36,079
yeah

1233
00:47:41,349 --> 00:47:36,960
and

1234
00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:41,359
because because they were late people it

1235
00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:43,760
was uh during an evening

1236
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:47,440
and it was a public uh lecture but uh

1237
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:50,640
but for scientists like sarah

1238
00:47:53,910 --> 00:47:52,480
this is exactly and this is exactly

1239
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:53,920
what's happening with regard to the

1240
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:55,200
so-called

1241
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:57,599
uh you know what because i don't want

1242
00:48:01,670 --> 00:47:59,680
you to be censored so

1243
00:48:03,430 --> 00:48:01,680
yeah this is exactly the same process

1244
00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:03,440
and there's no end to it

1245
00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:04,800
so

1246
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:08,000
and uh this leads to

1247
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:09,119
tyrannical

1248
00:48:12,870 --> 00:48:12,160
systems and uh very dangerous because if

1249
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:12,880
you

1250
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:20,960
i guess one of my one of my gripes i

1251
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:24,480
think frontier scientists like yourself

1252
00:48:27,670 --> 00:48:26,720
are in a unique position to speak to

1253
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:27,680
this

1254
00:48:31,030 --> 00:48:29,200
and they don't

1255
00:48:34,470 --> 00:48:31,040
they don't they don't they don't and

1256
00:48:36,790 --> 00:48:34,480
they should because we have to we have

1257
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:36,800
to be the gladiators of light for the

1258
00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:38,640
spiritual part but the other part even

1259
00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:40,160
if you're not a gladiator of the light

1260
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:41,760
if you're not into all that you got to

1261
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:43,680
be a gladiator of the truth and you got

1262
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:46,720
to stand up and say this is not this is

1263
00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:49,920
not right this is not true and i think

1264
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:51,520
frontier scientists are in a better

1265
00:48:57,910 --> 00:48:54,240
place to do it and i think that i'm

1266
00:49:00,549 --> 00:48:57,920
surprised more of them don't notice

1267
00:49:02,150 --> 00:49:00,559
where we're at like you do you seem to

1268
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:02,160
be able to put your finger on it and say

1269
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:04,400
no this is really different we've now

1270
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:06,000
crossed a line

1271
00:49:09,670 --> 00:49:07,680
to speak to that have we

1272
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:09,680
how different is this is this feel

1273
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:11,760
different to you

1274
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:15,599
oh yes yes it's uh no there's no uh

1275
00:49:21,670 --> 00:49:18,000
respect anymore no examination of the

1276
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:21,680
evidence but now they do that openly so

1277
00:49:27,030 --> 00:49:23,520
with regard to the

1278
00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:27,040
the sanitary state of the world and uh

1279
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:29,119
so last year in line with my my

1280
00:49:31,670 --> 00:49:30,480
convictions

1281
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:31,680
i

1282
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:41,359
federal government of canada

1283
00:49:46,549 --> 00:49:44,400
but guess what happened the judges

1284
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:46,559
they are corrupted they're part of the

1285
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:48,400
same system

1286
00:49:51,990 --> 00:49:50,480
so they

1287
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:52,000
my role was to demonstrate

1288
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:53,920
scientifically to review the literature

1289
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:55,359
showing that

1290
00:50:00,309 --> 00:49:58,079
you don't put people in normal people

1291
00:50:01,990 --> 00:50:00,319
healthy people in lockdown

1292
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:02,000
that lasts forever

1293
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:04,240
you don't ask them to wear masks and so

1294
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:05,760
on and so forth

1295
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:08,480
and i i you know i reviewed all the

1296
00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:10,559
scientific literature about this

1297
00:50:15,510 --> 00:50:13,280
and we sent that to the the judges but

1298
00:50:17,030 --> 00:50:15,520
it was the supreme court the highest

1299
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:17,040
level

1300
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:18,480
the judges

1301
00:50:25,510 --> 00:50:22,800
never reviewed our uh lawsuit they never

1302
00:50:27,990 --> 00:50:25,520
examined it they decided to sit on it

1303
00:50:30,069 --> 00:50:28,000
forever to protect the uh

1304
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:30,079
puppet politicians

1305
00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:31,920
who are in place right now

1306
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:33,359
that's what they did

1307
00:50:38,069 --> 00:50:36,960
but it's it's very similar in sight it's

1308
00:50:39,829 --> 00:50:38,079
uh

1309
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:39,839
and you know they have their own private

1310
00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:41,839
club and uh

1311
00:50:46,470 --> 00:50:44,319
if you're not a member of this club and

1312
00:50:48,069 --> 00:50:46,480
you know you uh

1313
00:50:51,510 --> 00:50:48,079
it will be very hard to accomplish

1314
00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:51,520
something unless we unite

1315
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:53,119
you know but

1316
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:56,480
but and we need examples i am willing to

1317
00:51:02,390 --> 00:50:59,520
uh go because some a lot of people uh

1318
00:51:04,870 --> 00:51:02,400
behind closed doors scientists

1319
00:51:07,750 --> 00:51:04,880
all during all my career

1320
00:51:09,270 --> 00:51:07,760
uh they said that it's nice what you're

1321
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:09,280
doing it's nice

1322
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:12,480
go to uh go there be the first one to do

1323
00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:14,160
because they're not courageous and they

1324
00:51:18,309 --> 00:51:16,079
want to protect what they have and so

1325
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:18,319
they need other people to uh

1326
00:51:23,349 --> 00:51:20,640
fight you know

1327
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:23,359
but but how do we how do we even unite

1328
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:26,160
is tricky right because even in this

1329
00:51:32,069 --> 00:51:28,800
community that you're a part of the

1330
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:32,079
consciousness frontier science community

1331
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:34,559
there's there's divisions there's still

1332
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:37,200
this there's still this left right thing

1333
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:40,079
that goes on and it's it's troubling

1334
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:42,720
because i'm like okay i get that some

1335
00:51:46,950 --> 00:51:44,640
people are just wired to be political

1336
00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:46,960
i'm not i'm a political anyone who to me

1337
00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:48,559
anyone who looks at this

1338
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:50,800
you just see it's there's it's there's

1339
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:53,040
some level of control beyond that but

1340
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:55,200
for people who are in that

1341
00:52:01,190 --> 00:51:58,640
what can we unite on what what do you

1342
00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:01,200
think is a potential answer of something

1343
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:04,240
within this community that they can they

1344
00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:06,559
can coalesce on and and everyone can

1345
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:08,880
more or less agree is it post

1346
00:52:13,190 --> 00:52:10,800
materialism is it what do you think it

1347
00:52:16,870 --> 00:52:14,230
well

1348
00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:16,880
science is uh influential because it has

1349
00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:18,800
replaced religion as the ultimate

1350
00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:20,640
cognitive authority

1351
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:21,920
so

1352
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:24,720
if you use the angle of science

1353
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:27,280
uh you you may convince more people

1354
00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:29,040
because a lot of people have left the

1355
00:52:34,150 --> 00:52:29,920
church

1356
00:52:36,790 --> 00:52:34,160
uh

1357
00:52:39,109 --> 00:52:36,800
so yes yes but like you're saying it's

1358
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:39,119
very hard to be able to unite because

1359
00:52:43,990 --> 00:52:41,680
there are many differences and

1360
00:52:47,190 --> 00:52:44,000
you know even post-materialist

1361
00:52:49,510 --> 00:52:47,200
scientists include people who do not

1362
00:52:50,549 --> 00:52:49,520
believe at all who are not spiritual at

1363
00:52:52,470 --> 00:52:50,559
all

1364
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:52,480
and some of them are even

1365
00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:54,480
almost atheists

1366
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:58,240
so it's it's uh difficult to uh but

1367
00:53:02,630 --> 00:53:00,720
what i decided to do to influence the uh

1368
00:53:04,470 --> 00:53:02,640
the outcome of the the

1369
00:53:07,589 --> 00:53:04,480
the future of humanity

1370
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:07,599
i decided last year in response to the

1371
00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:08,800
so-called

1372
00:53:13,829 --> 00:53:10,720
ending

1373
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:13,839
to create a new social network to unite

1374
00:53:19,349 --> 00:53:17,040
people conscious awake people

1375
00:53:20,790 --> 00:53:19,359
spiritually spiritual people we could

1376
00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:20,800
say

1377
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:22,640
all over the planet

1378
00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:24,640
so now it's not only it's not only

1379
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:27,200
science or scientists within because a

1380
00:53:30,309 --> 00:53:29,280
lot of these scientists do not want to

1381
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:30,319
uh

1382
00:53:34,630 --> 00:53:31,680
i know them

1383
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:34,640
i interact with them i'm part of a same

1384
00:53:37,109 --> 00:53:35,760
academy

1385
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:37,119
but they

1386
00:53:41,030 --> 00:53:38,880
they don't they don't want to have any

1387
00:53:44,309 --> 00:53:41,040
problem and they don't want to go out

1388
00:53:46,790 --> 00:53:44,319
and to face they're not warriors

1389
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:46,800
light warriors they're not willing to do

1390
00:53:49,829 --> 00:53:47,680
that

1391
00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:49,839
and some of them are quite old now so i

1392
00:53:54,309 --> 00:53:51,359
i can understand

1393
00:53:56,710 --> 00:53:54,319
but in my case it's very difficult i'm

1394
00:53:59,349 --> 00:53:56,720
all for it i'm a warrior i'm used to it

1395
00:54:01,910 --> 00:53:59,359
because i've been trained like this

1396
00:54:04,630 --> 00:54:01,920
i've been trained i i had to fight for

1397
00:54:07,430 --> 00:54:04,640
my survival and so uh

1398
00:54:09,109 --> 00:54:07,440
uh it's good it's okay for me to to do

1399
00:54:11,589 --> 00:54:09,119
this kind of job but

1400
00:54:13,030 --> 00:54:11,599
with other people but i ne i think if we

1401
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:13,040
have a globe we want a global

1402
00:54:18,150 --> 00:54:16,160
transformation we have to unite but at a

1403
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:18,160
much uh

1404
00:54:23,109 --> 00:54:20,960
wider scale than simply post material

1405
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:23,119
science

1406
00:54:26,790 --> 00:54:24,480
now we're

1407
00:54:29,670 --> 00:54:26,800
we're fighting with more than uh

1408
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:29,680
materials at east in our so-called

1409
00:54:33,589 --> 00:54:32,240
skeptics in science the fight is much

1410
00:54:36,069 --> 00:54:33,599
bigger now

1411
00:54:38,230 --> 00:54:36,079
it's dark versus light it's darkness and

1412
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:38,240
uh it's a spiritual war like you said

1413
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:41,040
before to me i

1414
00:54:45,589 --> 00:54:43,440
i have a sense that you're spot on on

1415
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:45,599
that and i also think we always have

1416
00:54:50,069 --> 00:54:47,520
danced with this kind of inherent

1417
00:54:51,910 --> 00:54:50,079
contradiction of post-materialist which

1418
00:54:54,589 --> 00:54:51,920
is kind of a strange term because it

1419
00:54:56,789 --> 00:54:54,599
isn't really post materialist it's like

1420
00:54:59,270 --> 00:54:56,799
pre-materialist it's like consciousness

1421
00:55:01,910 --> 00:54:59,280
is fundamental yeah i agree with you i

1422
00:55:03,829 --> 00:55:01,920
didn't choose it yeah right right right

1423
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:03,839
no i totally get that no no you did the

1424
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:05,119
right thing which is if we're going to

1425
00:55:08,390 --> 00:55:06,960
communicate effectively

1426
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:08,400
sometimes people don't get that we have

1427
00:55:13,030 --> 00:55:11,280
to use the term but i mean

1428
00:55:14,470 --> 00:55:13,040
you're you're almost

1429
00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:14,480
in their

1430
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:16,319
playing field and it becomes kind of the

1431
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:17,920
stockholm syndrome kind of thing but

1432
00:55:22,470 --> 00:55:18,960
it's like

1433
00:55:24,630 --> 00:55:22,480
no it's obviously not science has

1434
00:55:26,309 --> 00:55:24,640
obsoleted itself that's the the

1435
00:55:28,710 --> 00:55:26,319
conclusion right it's like we can't

1436
00:55:30,150 --> 00:55:28,720
really measure everything because

1437
00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:30,160
there's something beyond that there's

1438
00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:33,200
something above that so you can't really

1439
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:35,680
get in bed with those people 100

1440
00:55:39,750 --> 00:55:37,359
and that's what i think

1441
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:39,760
you're pointing to and you're saying

1442
00:55:45,030 --> 00:55:42,640
we have to we have to reach towards

1443
00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:45,040
something beyond that let me ask you

1444
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:48,640
this as we begin to wrap things up

1445
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:50,880
i am fascinated

1446
00:55:55,030 --> 00:55:52,079
about

1447
00:55:56,549 --> 00:55:55,040
your precognitive experience that guided

1448
00:55:59,430 --> 00:55:56,559
your life

1449
00:56:02,789 --> 00:55:59,440
and if we circle back to that

1450
00:56:04,870 --> 00:56:02,799
it's really quite remarkable and i have

1451
00:56:07,270 --> 00:56:04,880
to wonder

1452
00:56:09,670 --> 00:56:07,280
do you think you signed up for

1453
00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:09,680
all of this do you think you knew it was

1454
00:56:13,430 --> 00:56:10,960
gonna be

1455
00:56:15,750 --> 00:56:13,440
like this do you think you knew that you

1456
00:56:18,069 --> 00:56:15,760
know you're not gonna get you may not

1457
00:56:20,470 --> 00:56:18,079
get you may not get the big prize at the

1458
00:56:23,349 --> 00:56:20,480
end you may not get the at the very end

1459
00:56:26,069 --> 00:56:23,359
you might but in this room you may not

1460
00:56:28,150 --> 00:56:26,079
get the a pat on the back of gosh darn

1461
00:56:30,309 --> 00:56:28,160
mario you were right all along we're so

1462
00:56:32,789 --> 00:56:30,319
sorry kind of thing are you okay with

1463
00:56:34,230 --> 00:56:32,799
that did you sign up for the whole thing

1464
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:34,240
yes yes

1465
00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:36,000
yeah

1466
00:56:40,789 --> 00:56:38,880
oh yes i'm not and like you i'm not

1467
00:56:43,750 --> 00:56:40,799
religious at all i left the church when

1468
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:43,760
i was uh he wanted to become uh my

1469
00:56:49,349 --> 00:56:46,240
parents wanted me to become a priest

1470
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:49,359
and uh but uh that was it was not for me

1471
00:56:53,829 --> 00:56:51,760
he sent me to seminary

1472
00:56:55,990 --> 00:56:53,839
but uh i started to fight with the the

1473
00:56:56,829 --> 00:56:56,000
priest on um

1474
00:56:58,150 --> 00:56:56,839
you know

1475
00:57:00,870 --> 00:56:58,160
i um

1476
00:57:03,270 --> 00:57:00,880
regarding the the bible content

1477
00:57:07,030 --> 00:57:03,280
there are dogmas and

1478
00:57:09,030 --> 00:57:07,040
so uh but uh no i don't uh i'm not doing

1479
00:57:11,190 --> 00:57:09,040
i have a sense of mission so i do that i

1480
00:57:13,990 --> 00:57:11,200
do what i have to do i don't care if

1481
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:14,000
people like me or hate me or but you

1482
00:57:18,549 --> 00:57:16,400
know what by doing what i've done

1483
00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:18,559
i made a lot of friends all over the

1484
00:57:24,309 --> 00:57:20,480
planet

1485
00:57:26,789 --> 00:57:24,319
i realized that you know the lay people

1486
00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:26,799
i saw a big progression from when i

1487
00:57:31,589 --> 00:57:29,520
started uh to travel

1488
00:57:34,950 --> 00:57:31,599
30 years ago

1489
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:34,960
from now from uh past few the last few

1490
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:36,960
years before the the beginning of this

1491
00:57:39,190 --> 00:57:37,760
uh

1492
00:57:40,789 --> 00:57:39,200
craziness

1493
00:57:43,349 --> 00:57:40,799
uh

1494
00:57:46,789 --> 00:57:43,359
there's an evolution of consciousness

1495
00:57:48,870 --> 00:57:46,799
really in society

1496
00:57:51,190 --> 00:57:48,880
i see that i can see that i see that

1497
00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:51,200
because people write to me and talk to

1498
00:57:54,910 --> 00:57:54,559
me about their own experiences and uh

1499
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:54,920
you know

1500
00:57:59,750 --> 00:57:56,160
[Music]

1501
00:58:02,390 --> 00:57:59,760
but and using social media now and

1502
00:58:04,950 --> 00:58:02,400
uh there's really uh so so there will be

1503
00:58:07,750 --> 00:58:04,960
a big clash because uh

1504
00:58:08,470 --> 00:58:07,760
and i we're and it's it's right now

1505
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:08,480
we're

1506
00:58:16,069 --> 00:58:13,440
it's about two different worlds two

1507
00:58:17,829 --> 00:58:16,079
totally different trajectories

1508
00:58:20,470 --> 00:58:17,839
and uh

1509
00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:20,480
you know the the ultimate version of

1510
00:58:26,069 --> 00:58:24,160
materialism in atheism is transhumanism

1511
00:58:27,910 --> 00:58:26,079
you know so

1512
00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:27,920
silicon valley and

1513
00:58:33,270 --> 00:58:30,000
all these guys

1514
00:58:35,430 --> 00:58:33,280
who are compromising eternity under a

1515
00:58:37,510 --> 00:58:35,440
different form and

1516
00:58:39,829 --> 00:58:37,520
these guys are

1517
00:58:41,910 --> 00:58:39,839
you know this they're con artists they

1518
00:58:44,470 --> 00:58:41,920
don't know anything really about

1519
00:58:46,309 --> 00:58:44,480
consciousness and spirit and

1520
00:58:47,510 --> 00:58:46,319
you know they but they're trying to you

1521
00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:47,520
know they're they're

1522
00:58:52,870 --> 00:58:49,680
they're salesmen and they

1523
00:58:54,230 --> 00:58:52,880
are trying to convince people so

1524
00:58:56,470 --> 00:58:54,240
but uh

1525
00:58:57,750 --> 00:58:56,480
i'm not i don't think uh their project

1526
00:58:59,349 --> 00:58:57,760
will uh

1527
00:59:01,750 --> 00:58:59,359
will be successful

1528
00:59:03,430 --> 00:59:01,760
ah i want to pick up i want to pick up

1529
00:59:05,589 --> 00:59:03,440
on that because

1530
00:59:08,789 --> 00:59:05,599
i agree with you but i want to be honest

1531
00:59:12,230 --> 00:59:08,799
about it too and i hold on to two quotes

1532
00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:12,240
that are are both inspirational and also

1533
00:59:16,390 --> 00:59:14,880
i think true the first is mahatma gandhi

1534
00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:16,400
who said

1535
00:59:20,710 --> 00:59:18,720
good always wins

1536
00:59:21,750 --> 00:59:20,720
look at it through history he says i'm

1537
00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:21,760
not

1538
00:59:26,470 --> 00:59:24,160
pat he's paraphrasing but he goes look

1539
00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:26,480
i'm not saying that just to sound to

1540
00:59:30,789 --> 00:59:28,160
make you feel better i'm like look at

1541
00:59:32,150 --> 00:59:30,799
history good wins good wins but the

1542
00:59:33,910 --> 00:59:32,160
other quote i really like is from my

1543
00:59:36,069 --> 00:59:33,920
friend miguel connor

1544
00:59:39,670 --> 00:59:36,079
a quote of a quote he says

1545
00:59:41,270 --> 00:59:39,680
evil always turns stupid

1546
00:59:43,750 --> 00:59:41,280
and i think

1547
00:59:46,150 --> 00:59:43,760
i think we might begin it be beginning

1548
00:59:48,150 --> 00:59:46,160
to see that there's more and more people

1549
00:59:49,750 --> 00:59:48,160
who are just kind of ordinary people

1550
00:59:51,349 --> 00:59:49,760
who've just kind of helped

1551
00:59:52,870 --> 00:59:51,359
kept their nose to the grindstone they

1552
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:52,880
haven't listened to too much but now

1553
00:59:55,670 --> 00:59:54,240
they're kind of gone

1554
00:59:59,030 --> 00:59:55,680
no dog that's

1555
01:00:01,510 --> 00:59:59,040
that's just too freaking stupid even for

1556
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:01,520
me to buy into that what do you think

1557
01:00:06,950 --> 01:00:04,400
about that what is there a reason to be

1558
01:00:09,270 --> 01:00:06,960
to maybe to let the light shine through

1559
01:00:11,589 --> 01:00:09,280
us do do we have to be

1560
01:00:14,069 --> 01:00:11,599
dark and and do we have to be down about

1561
01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:14,079
this is there a reason to be optimistic

1562
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:15,760
yes yes

1563
01:00:21,750 --> 01:00:18,640
i see that and i'm in contact with

1564
01:00:22,549 --> 01:00:21,760
people all over the planet and friends

1565
01:00:25,670 --> 01:00:22,559
and

1566
01:00:27,430 --> 01:00:25,680
the same is process is going on in many

1567
01:00:30,069 --> 01:00:27,440
many countries and

1568
01:00:31,990 --> 01:00:30,079
yes a lot of people were

1569
01:00:34,710 --> 01:00:32,000
were not uh

1570
01:00:37,030 --> 01:00:34,720
realizing what was going on or were not

1571
01:00:39,829 --> 01:00:37,040
they didn't care about that but

1572
01:00:42,069 --> 01:00:39,839
now they're switching they're changing

1573
01:00:45,270 --> 01:00:42,079
i can see that

1574
01:00:46,069 --> 01:00:45,280
everywhere i i have contacts friends and

1575
01:00:48,870 --> 01:00:46,079
uh

1576
01:00:52,230 --> 01:00:48,880
so i'm very optimistic but it will be

1577
01:00:54,150 --> 01:00:52,240
rough bumpy for a while but uh

1578
01:00:56,470 --> 01:00:54,160
i think they're cooked

1579
01:00:58,870 --> 01:00:56,480
on the other side

1580
01:01:01,589 --> 01:00:58,880
right on and i think science is going to

1581
01:01:04,870 --> 01:01:01,599
play a key role in that because that is

1582
01:01:07,270 --> 01:01:04,880
the beauty of science it does shine a

1583
01:01:10,150 --> 01:01:07,280
light towards truth it may not be the

1584
01:01:12,710 --> 01:01:10,160
truth but it can not know just a little

1585
01:01:15,670 --> 01:01:12,720
closer what do you think

1586
01:01:18,230 --> 01:01:15,680
real science not pseudoscience

1587
01:01:19,829 --> 01:01:18,240
like the one utilized used by puppet

1588
01:01:21,109 --> 01:01:19,839
politicians right

1589
01:01:23,349 --> 01:01:21,119
right now

1590
01:01:26,950 --> 01:01:23,359
yeah it's uh

1591
01:01:29,829 --> 01:01:26,960
yeah it's disgusting what they are it

1592
01:01:31,670 --> 01:01:29,839
they talk all the time about science and

1593
01:01:33,910 --> 01:01:31,680
that's not science at all that's pure

1594
01:01:36,309 --> 01:01:33,920
[\h__\h] that's not true

1595
01:01:37,270 --> 01:01:36,319
that's yeah we're talking about real

1596
01:01:39,670 --> 01:01:37,280
science

1597
01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:39,680
which has the power to to change things

1598
01:01:43,349 --> 01:01:41,599
to transform the world

1599
01:01:45,750 --> 01:01:43,359
yeah

1600
01:01:48,870 --> 01:01:45,760
so it's been absolutely terrific talking

1601
01:01:51,750 --> 01:01:48,880
to our guest dr mario beauregard please

1602
01:01:54,789 --> 01:01:51,760
check out his books his latest expanding

1603
01:01:56,230 --> 01:01:54,799
reality you will enjoy you can go back

1604
01:01:59,270 --> 01:01:56,240
and listen to our interview on brain

1605
01:02:02,390 --> 01:01:59,280
wars and that's still relevant and also

1606
01:02:03,510 --> 01:02:02,400
check out his very nice uh website where

1607
01:02:05,829 --> 01:02:03,520
you can

1608
01:02:07,510 --> 01:02:05,839
find what's going on with him and maybe

1609
01:02:10,309 --> 01:02:07,520
you can tell us in a couple minutes we

1610
01:02:12,549 --> 01:02:10,319
have left dr beauregard what is coming

1611
01:02:14,470 --> 01:02:12,559
up in your immediate future you're a

1612
01:02:17,430 --> 01:02:14,480
busy guy you're very

1613
01:02:19,430 --> 01:02:17,440
obviously a very driven and focused guy

1614
01:02:21,670 --> 01:02:19,440
what is coming up for you

1615
01:02:23,750 --> 01:02:21,680
i'm finishing to create a new

1616
01:02:25,510 --> 01:02:23,760
psycho-spiritual approach

1617
01:02:27,990 --> 01:02:25,520
based on all the research i've done

1618
01:02:30,789 --> 01:02:28,000
throughout my life and also based on the

1619
01:02:33,829 --> 01:02:30,799
findings of other researchers as well

1620
01:02:34,950 --> 01:02:33,839
i've come with a new

1621
01:02:36,710 --> 01:02:34,960
approach

1622
01:02:39,910 --> 01:02:36,720
to help people

1623
01:02:41,430 --> 01:02:39,920
know not mystics contemplatives but

1624
01:02:44,309 --> 01:02:41,440
normal people

1625
01:02:45,750 --> 01:02:44,319
to have access to their

1626
01:02:49,109 --> 01:02:45,760
inner essence

1627
01:02:51,109 --> 01:02:49,119
their spiritual side and

1628
01:02:53,829 --> 01:02:51,119
i have developed

1629
01:02:55,750 --> 01:02:53,839
a kind of technology to do this

1630
01:02:58,069 --> 01:02:55,760
and

1631
01:03:00,710 --> 01:02:58,079
to work with this with regard to all the

1632
01:03:03,029 --> 01:03:00,720
the various aspects of human life

1633
01:03:05,589 --> 01:03:03,039
the emotions can be uh

1634
01:03:08,870 --> 01:03:05,599
the life plan and so on and so forth so

1635
01:03:13,190 --> 01:03:08,880
it's a huge endeavor and uh

1636
01:03:15,349 --> 01:03:13,200
it will become public in uh 2022 uh in

1637
01:03:18,789 --> 01:03:15,359
french but everything will be translated

1638
01:03:20,789 --> 01:03:18,799
into other languages

1639
01:03:23,029 --> 01:03:20,799
that's fantastic certainly is ambitious

1640
01:03:25,829 --> 01:03:23,039
would you say technology are you

1641
01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:25,839
speaking of kind of a a method a series

1642
01:03:30,230 --> 01:03:27,839
of techniques or

1643
01:03:33,430 --> 01:03:30,240
kind of a model i use uh

1644
01:03:36,390 --> 01:03:33,440
i use isochronic sounds to alter the uh

1645
01:03:40,150 --> 01:03:36,400
to expand the awareness

1646
01:03:43,910 --> 01:03:40,160
that's but i'm you also uh using

1647
01:03:46,549 --> 01:03:43,920
uh various types of exercises and

1648
01:03:48,789 --> 01:03:46,559
sometimes guidance like you do in uh

1649
01:03:50,789 --> 01:03:48,799
hypnosis a bit but um

1650
01:03:53,750 --> 01:03:50,799
i've been doing this kind of work for

1651
01:03:56,470 --> 01:03:53,760
now over six years with thousands of

1652
01:03:58,630 --> 01:03:56,480
people in europe and also in

1653
01:04:00,710 --> 01:03:58,640
in quebec and canada

1654
01:04:03,670 --> 01:04:00,720
and uh

1655
01:04:05,990 --> 01:04:03,680
i realized that it's because uh

1656
01:04:09,109 --> 01:04:06,000
very often the the journalists were

1657
01:04:11,510 --> 01:04:09,119
interviewing uh about my my research on

1658
01:04:12,470 --> 01:04:11,520
spiritual experiences they were asking

1659
01:04:14,390 --> 01:04:12,480
me

1660
01:04:15,990 --> 01:04:14,400
well okay it's interesting to know

1661
01:04:17,510 --> 01:04:16,000
what's going on in the brain but how

1662
01:04:19,589 --> 01:04:17,520
does it help

1663
01:04:22,950 --> 01:04:19,599
normal people

1664
01:04:25,430 --> 01:04:22,960
to to to connect so

1665
01:04:27,349 --> 01:04:25,440
this stayed with me and

1666
01:04:29,670 --> 01:04:27,359
so i worked on this and i

1667
01:04:33,349 --> 01:04:29,680
i developed an approach to

1668
01:04:35,910 --> 01:04:33,359
facilitate the access to the uh if

1669
01:04:38,829 --> 01:04:35,920
the spiritual world if you will without

1670
01:04:43,750 --> 01:04:41,270
clinically that would be a requirement

1671
01:04:46,309 --> 01:04:43,760
well that's terrific and i i do hope you

1672
01:04:47,829 --> 01:04:46,319
come back next year when it's out so we

1673
01:04:50,069 --> 01:04:47,839
can tell people about it because i'm

1674
01:04:52,549 --> 01:04:50,079
sure a lot of folks yes because i want

1675
01:04:55,670 --> 01:04:52,559
to go to you gary schwartz has been

1676
01:04:58,069 --> 01:04:55,680
pushing me uh since uh a few years

1677
01:05:00,230 --> 01:04:58,079
to go to united states present that and

1678
01:05:03,109 --> 01:05:00,240
i i would like to do that very much too

1679
01:05:05,190 --> 01:05:03,119
but right now i'm in jail in canada i

1680
01:05:07,270 --> 01:05:05,200
cannot travel

1681
01:05:09,510 --> 01:05:07,280
you know why

1682
01:05:11,990 --> 01:05:09,520
that's okay

1683
01:05:14,390 --> 01:05:12,000
it'll pass it'll pass

1684
01:05:16,150 --> 01:05:14,400
uh mario it's been terrific terrific

1685
01:05:18,069 --> 01:05:16,160
having you on best of luck with all that

1686
01:05:20,630 --> 01:05:18,079
and let's stay in touch you know when

1687
01:05:21,510 --> 01:05:20,640
you come down to tucson let me know sure

1688
01:05:24,150 --> 01:05:21,520
okay

1689
01:05:26,150 --> 01:05:24,160
thanks a lot thanks

1690
01:05:28,390 --> 01:05:26,160
thanks again to dr mario beauregard for

1691
01:05:30,069 --> 01:05:28,400
joining me today on skeptico the one

1692
01:05:32,549 --> 01:05:30,079
question idea from this interview is

1693
01:05:35,190 --> 01:05:32,559
kind of an obvious one what do you think

1694
01:05:38,470 --> 01:05:35,200
of this idea of a battle in science

1695
01:05:40,789 --> 01:05:38,480
light versus dark forces come on i mean

1696
01:05:43,109 --> 01:05:40,799
science is about doing good work about

1697
01:05:44,150 --> 01:05:43,119
protocol standards publishing peer

1698
01:05:45,910 --> 01:05:44,160
review

1699
01:05:48,470 --> 01:05:45,920
and deceiving others in order to advance

1700
01:05:50,470 --> 01:05:48,480
the shadowy agenda of those who would

1701
01:05:52,390 --> 01:05:50,480
seek to control

1702
01:05:54,549 --> 01:05:52,400
no no no wait scratch scratch that of

1703
01:05:57,349 --> 01:05:54,559
course that's not in there

1704
01:05:59,270 --> 01:05:57,359
that's never a part of science

1705
01:06:01,190 --> 01:05:59,280
let me know where you stand on that one

1706
01:06:03,270 --> 01:06:01,200
love to hear your thoughts if you like

1707
01:06:05,990 --> 01:06:03,280
the show tell a couple people

1708
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:06,000
lots more to come until next time

1709
01:06:22,770 --> 01:06:09,170
take care and bye for now